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- CAUTION! ORIGINS OF JOHN-1 BRUNDISH ARE UNCERTAIN!
CAUTION! ORIGINS OF JOHN-1 BRUNDISH ARE UNCERTAIN!
As copied from my comment at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brundish-5
Because my name appears frequently above, I am providing the comments below and requesting that the PGMP team fully update this profile as they deem appropriate.
As an accomplished but still amateur genealogist, I have never been able to confirm a line of descent between John-1 Brundish and my earliest confirmed ancestor, Solomon Brundage (1763–1831) (Brundage-539). Consequently, the possible ancestors and descendants of John-1 Brundage have not had any serious attention from me in decades. In the interim, I have become more experienced and skeptical; I no longer accept the conclusions of others.
Before the demise of RootsWeb, the 16 September 2009 version of my document, brundage.pdf, still identified John-1 Brundish as a match with the John Brundish who was christened in Rattlesden on 5 June 1593 and a son of Thomas Brundish and Anne Tompson who were married there 30 August 1584. That identification was based on the research of other researchers that I had accepted years prior, when I was a very young and inexperienced genealogist. If/when I ever repost a document on my Brundage lineage, this identification will be removed or presented as speculative.
Unfortunately, I now see no evidence to conclude with any confidence that the John Brundish, christened in Rattlesden in 1593, was identical the John Brundish who married Rachel Hubbard, in Belstead. If it has been verified (or can be) that the Belstead register includes a marriage date of 13 September 1621, I would estimate that John was likely born about 1596 and that would be a potential correction to Anderson’s estimate of 1604.
With respect to “Thomas Abner Brundish,” in general, I am highly skeptical of any claims for middle names in the historical era of interest. With respect to the grandparents claimed for John Brundish of Rattlesden, in general, I am highly skeptical of any claims for ancestors who resided in multiple non-contiguous counties scattered around England.
Source citations give me too much credit. Before the demise of RootsWeb, I also hosted some content for others with no websites of their own. To clarify, my cousin, William “Bill” E. Brundage, is the author of “The Descendants of Solomon Brundage of Orange County, NY Through His Son John Brundage of Greenwood, Steuben County, NY” (2009); which includes four parts pertaining to the possible ancestry of Solomon Brundage, sub-titled “Establishing the Ancestry,” The Colonial Ancestry,” “The Family,” and “From Thomas Brundish to Solomon Brundage.”
Other Brundish/Brundage researchers are welcome to contact me for more information, publicly or privately, as they may prefer.
PLEASE STOP REMOVING DOCUMENTED INFORMATION
Please stop removing 15+ years of documented information about this family. I've also looked at the Perry Streeter information and found some wrong information. I've taken great pains to only put on info that is verified by some written source, now most of it is gone! For instance, John and Rachel DID NOT have 13 kids, they only had 5 or 6; one who died or remained in England, 3 who came to America with John and Rachel, and 2 more born after they reached America. I'm very upset about all my years of work now being destroyed, and most of my written notes were discarded after I entered the information on familysearch.org
Came to America about 1632 and after a s
Came to America about 1632 and after a short stay in Massachusettes, settled in Wethersfield, CT where he died by his own hand. A deed dated 20 May 1639 makes John Brundish a grantor. An inventory taken 27 Oct 1639 by his widow and second deed 23 Nov 1639 confirmed by his widow - used as sources for his death date. The distribution of his estate took place 5 Aug 1642 (Fairfield Probate Records, Vol. 1, pg. 88) names his daughter Mary as the wife of Francis Purdy. Ref: Ye Historie of Ye Town of Greenwich, by Spencer P. Mead - Pg. 510
1 _UID DB9F20A051BDA04C8C7079CC5FA7E2D8
1 _UID DB9F20A051BDA04C8C7079CC5FA7E2D83507 Of Fairfield Co.,CT who died inn Wethersfield before 27 Oct 1639 onwhichdate distribution was granted on his estate to widow Rachell,per theParticular Court. In "Families of old Fairfield, Jacobuscites a deeddated 20 May 1639, not signed by John Brundish thatcontains a second partdated 23 Nov 1639 consisting of a confirmationfrom his widow asAdministratrix, stating "but Providence so disposingof the aforesayd JohnBrundishe that before the tym that his mony wasdue and ye writing (?)confermed (sic) He put an end to his lyf."This confirms his deathoccurred between May 1639 and Oct 1639 and notin 1637 at the time of theWethersfield massacre as some have stated.
1 _UID 844EAB4185C3E945AD63EDCBB9733856
1 _UID 844EAB4185C3E945AD63EDCBB9733856B642 Of Fairfield Co.,CT who died inn Wethersfield before 27 Oct 1639 onwhichdate distribution was granted on his estate to widow Rachell,per theParticular Court. In "Families of old Fairfield, Jacobuscites a deeddated 20 May 1639, not signed by John Brundish thatcontains a second partdated 23 Nov 1639 consisting of a confirmationfrom his widow asAdministratrix, stating "but Providence so disposingof the aforesayd JohnBrundishe that before the tym that his mony wasdue and ye writing (?)confermed (sic) He put an end to his lyf."This confirms his deathoccurred between May 1639 and Oct 1639 and notin 1637 at the time of theWethersfield massacre as some have stated.
! RF PURDY FAM HIST BY ARLENE RARRIER G
! RF PURDY FAM HIST BY ARLENE RARRIER GREELEY LEFT ENGLAND IN 1632 TO WATERTOWN MASS.THE WIDOW SOLD OUT BEF 1 MAY 1641 M ANTHONY WILSON MOVED TO FAIRFIELD CONN.
notes fm Kistler family pages: John emig
notes fm Kistler family pages: John emigrated from Felsham Parish,England to America in 1632, settling in Watertown,Ma. Some think name changed from Brundish to Brundage about this time. John was listed as a tanner and made a "freeman" in Watertown, 1635. In 1646, he lived in Wethersfield, Ct on Sandy Lane. He died by suicide in 1639,leaving no will, His estate was valued at 174 pounds sterking in chattels and 130 pounds sterling in home and land. The chattel included books as well as tools, Rachel was granted the chattel and the real estate was to be the children's portion when they reached 16. The land was sold before May 1641,presumeably when Rachel remarried, to Anthony Wilson, and moved to Fairfield, Ct, where she died in 1642.
!Gabriel Purdy His Ancestor And Descenta
!Gabriel Purdy His Ancestor And Descentants born Westhester, NY 1754 Ye Historie of Ye Town of Greenwich. NEHG Reg Vol52 has his death date as 1639 and it only had 5 children, the mid one a boy Came to New Engalnd 1633 John Sr came to Waterown, MA with Rev Thomas Hacker DESCENDANTS OF JOHN BRUNDISH pg 2-1 came from Felsham Parish to Mass abt 1632, a tanner, made a freeman at Watertown 1635. At weatherfield they lived on what is now Sandy Lane. He died, probably by suicide without a will, his estate was valued at 174 lb in chattels and 130 lb in house and land. Rachel was granted the chattels and the real estate was to be for the children portion when they reached 16. The land sold before May 1641, presumably when Rachel left Weatherfield for Fairfield
CAUTION! ORIGINS OF JOHN-1 BRUNDISH ARE UNCERTAIN!
CAUTION! ORIGINS OF JOHN-1 BRUNDISH ARE UNCERTAIN!
As copied from my comment at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brundish-5
Because my name appears frequently above, I am providing the comments below and requesting that the PGMP team fully update this profile as they deem appropriate.
As an accomplished but still amateur genealogist, I have never been able to confirm a line of descent between John-1 Brundish and my earliest confirmed ancestor, Solomon Brundage (1763–1831) (Brundage-539). Consequently, the possible ancestors an d descendants of John-1 Brundage have not had any serious attention from me in decades. In the interim, I have become more experienced and skeptical; I no longer accept the conclusions of others.
Before the demise of RootsWeb, the 16 September 2009 version of my document, brundage.pdf, still identified John-1 Brundish as a match with the John Brundish who was christened in Rattlesden on 5 June 1593 and a son of Thomas Brundish and Anne Tom pson who were married there 30 August 1584. That identification was based on the research of other researchers that I had accepted years prior, when I was a very young and inexperienced genealogist. If/when I ever repost a document on my Brundag e lineage, this identification will be removed or presented as speculative.
Unfortunately, I now see no evidence to conclude with any confidence that the John Brundish, christened in Rattlesden in 1593, was identical the John Brundish who married Rachel Hubbard, in Belstead. If it has been verified (or can be) that the Be lstead register includes a marriage date of 13 September 1621, I would estimate that John was likely born about 1596 and that would be a potential correction to Anderson’s estimate of 1604.
With respect to “Thomas Abner Brundish,” in general, I am highly skeptical of any claims for middle names in the historical era of interest. With respect to the grandparents claimed for John Brundish of Rattlesden, in general, I am highly skeptica l of any claims for ancestors who resided in multiple non-contiguous counties scattered around England.
Source citations give me too much credit. Before the demise of RootsWeb, I also hosted some content for others with no websites of their own. To clarify, my cousin, William “Bill” E. Brundage, is the author of “The Descendants of Solomon Brundag e of Orange County, NY Through His Son John Brundage of Greenwood, Steuben County, NY” (2009); which includes four parts pertaining to the possible ancestry of Solomon Brundage, sub-titled “Establishing the Ancestry,” The Colonial Ancestry,” “Th e Family,” and “From Thomas Brundish to Solomon Brundage.”
Other Brundish/Brundage researchers are welcome to contact me for more information, publicly or privately, as they may prefer.
PLEASE STOP REMOVING DOCUMENTED INFORMATION
Please stop removing 15+ years of documented information about this family. I've also looked at the Perry Streeter information and found some wrong information. I've taken great pains to only put on info that is verified by some written source , now most of it is gone! For instance, John and Rachel DID NOT have 13 kids, they only had 5 or 6; one who died or remained in England, 3 who came to America with John and Rachel, and 2 more born after they reached America. I'm very upset abou t all my years of work now being destroyed, and most of my written notes were discarded after I entered the information on familysearch.org
Came to America about 1632 and after a s
Came to America about 1632 and after a short stay in Massachusettes, settled in Wethersfield, CT where he died by his own hand. A deed dated 20 May 1639 makes John Brundish a grantor. An inventory taken 27 Oct 1639 by his widow and second deed 2 3 Nov 1639 confirmed by his widow - used as sources for his death date. The distribution of his estate took place 5 Aug 1642 (Fairfield Probate Records, Vol. 1, pg. 88) names his daughter Mary as the wife of Francis Purdy. Ref: Ye Historie of Ye T own of Greenwich, by Spencer P. Mead - Pg. 510
1 _UID DB9F20A051BDA04C8C7079CC5FA7E2D8
1 _UID DB9F20A051BDA04C8C7079CC5FA7E2D83507 Of Fairfield Co.,CT who died inn Wethersfield before 27 Oct 1639 onwhichdate distribution was granted on his estate to widow Rachell,per theParticular Court. In "Families of old Fairfield, Jacobuscite s a deeddated 20 May 1639, not signed by John Brundish thatcontains a second partdated 23 Nov 1639 consisting of a confirmationfrom his widow asAdministratrix, stating "but Providence so disposingof the aforesayd JohnBrundishe that before the ty m that his mony wasdue and ye writing (?)confermed (sic) He put an end to his lyf."This confirms his deathoccurred between May 1639 and Oct 1639 and notin 1637 at the time of theWethersfield massacre as some have stated.
1 _UID 844EAB4185C3E945AD63EDCBB9733856
1 _UID 844EAB4185C3E945AD63EDCBB9733856B642 Of Fairfield Co.,CT who died inn Wethersfield before 27 Oct 1639 onwhichdate distribution was granted on his estate to widow Rachell,per theParticular Court. In "Families of old Fairfield, Jacobuscite s a deeddated 20 May 1639, not signed by John Brundish thatcontains a second partdated 23 Nov 1639 consisting of a confirmationfrom his widow asAdministratrix, stating "but Providence so disposingof the aforesayd JohnBrundishe that before the ty m that his mony wasdue and ye writing (?)confermed (sic) He put an end to his lyf."This confirms his deathoccurred between May 1639 and Oct 1639 and notin 1637 at the time of theWethersfield massacre as some have stated.
! RF PURDY FAM HIST BY ARLENE RARRIER G
! RF PURDY FAM HIST BY ARLENE RARRIER GREELEY LEFT ENGLAND IN 1632 TO WATERTOWN MASS.THE WIDOW SOLD OUT BEF 1 MAY 1641 M ANTHONY WILSON MOVED TO FAIRFIELD CONN.
notes fm Kistler family pages: John emig
notes fm Kistler family pages: John emigrated from Felsham Parish,England to America in 1632, settling in Watertown,Ma. Some think name changed from Brundish to Brundage about this time. John was listed as a tanner and made a "freeman" in Waterto wn, 1635. In 1646, he lived in Wethersfield, Ct on Sandy Lane. He died by suicide in 1639,leaving no will, His estate was valued at 174 pounds sterking in chattels and 130 pounds sterling in home and land. The chattel included books as well as too ls, Rachel was granted the chattel and the real estate was to be the children's portion when they reached 16. The land was sold before May 1641,presumeably when Rachel remarried, to Anthony Wilson, and moved to Fairfield, Ct, where she died in 164 2.
!Gabriel Purdy His Ancestor And Descenta
!Gabriel Purdy His Ancestor And Descentants born Westhester, NY 1754 Ye Historie of Ye Town of Greenwich. NEHG Reg Vol52 has his death date as 1639 and it only had 5 children, the mid one a boy Came to New Engalnd 1633 John Sr came to Waterow n, MA with Rev Thomas Hacker DESCENDANTS OF JOHN BRUNDISH pg 2-1 came from Felsham Parish to Mass abt 1632, a tanner, made a freeman at Watertown 1635. At weatherfield they lived on what is now Sandy Lane. He died, probably by suicide withou t a will, his estate was valued at 174 lb in chattels and 130 lb in house and land. Rachel was granted the chattels and the real estate was to be for the children portion when they reached 16. The land sold before May 1641, presumably when Rach el left Weatherfield for Fairfield
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