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Source attached for christening date has Father's (Richard Ogden) name listed. Not sure how that wouldn't prove the parentage.
Children of 2 John Ogdens from “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye"
Children of John of Rye as listed in “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye". Most dates are estimates.
Hannah, b about 1663, m. possibly Hackaliah Brown – doubts expressed about name
(possibly) Elizabeth, b. about 1665, m. possibly Joseph Purdy
Joseph, b. about 1667, m. Mary (possibly Miller)
Ruth, b. about 1670, m. John Lyon
John, b. about 1671, m. Susanna (possibly Dunsomb)
Richard, b. about 1673, m. possibly Elizabeth Church
David, b. about 1674, m. Elizabeth (possibly Miller)
(probably) Abigail, b. about 1677, m. Thomas Lyon (son of Thomas)
Children of John of Elizabethtown and Jane, as listed in "The Ogden Family of Oxenhope: The Probable Yorkshire Origin of John and Richard Ogden, Early Settlers of Stamford, Connecticut, and Proprietors of Hempstead, New York". Note that there is no maiden name for his wife listed.
Mary, buried in England in 1635
John, b. 1638-1640, probably in England, married Elizabeth Plum
David, b. 1642, m. Elizabeth Swaine Ward
Sarah/Mary?, b. about 1644, m. John Woodruff
Joseph, b. about 1645-1646, m. Sarah
Jonathan, b. about 1647-1648. m. Rebekah
Benjamin, b. about 1653-1654, m. Hannah
WATCH OUT FOR FRAUDULENT PEDIGREE BY GUSTAVE ANJOU. NO SUCH PLACE IN ENGLAND EXISTS, NOT SUCH CHR REC AT THE NONEXISTENT PLACE EXISTS NOR DID THE ALLEGED but MADE UP PARENTS.
Christening at 20 years old??
Either they had another son name John & this was merged with that one or.. but the other one seems to also be attached to this 20 yr old christening.. should I create another John? [by Ken Offill, both of the early John Ogdens had sons named John - (John of Rye and John "The Pilgrim" - who was an early settler of Elizabeth(town), New Jersey.]
Phony picture keeps coming up
First, it's for a man, as can be judged from his clothing alone, who lived more than a century later. That man was John Dickinson. I've fixed it before but people just keep adding it. The primary principle regarding genealogy is to verify the data. I daresay that most people on these websites have no clue about that.
Find A Grave Memorial# 130399927 (Cont)
An entry from the family bible of Daniel Ogden [Jr.] of Clearfield County, Pennsylvania (great-grandson of John Ogden [1625 — 1682]) reads as follows:
"Daniel Ogden died November 30, 1819, who was the son of Daniel Ogden, Sr., who was the son of Richard Ogden, who was the son of John Ogden from Yorkshire, England."
He was often referred to posthumously as "John Ogden of Rye" in order to distinguish him from his uncle and contemporary, "John Ogden the Pilgrim" who appears in many of the same records in Connecticut and New York (as "Mr. John Ogden"), but who died in Elizabethtown, Essex County, East Jersey (present-day Elizabeth, Union County, New Jersey).
Birth and parentage of John Ogden and Jane Bond TOTALLY FRAUDULENT
The birth and lineages of John Ogden and Jane Bond showing they were born and married in Bradley Plain, Hampshire, England came from the forgery of Gustave Anjou that was provided to William Ogden Wheeler in his book "The Ogden Family in America, Elizabethtown branch, and their English Ancestry." It is all totally FRAUDULENT.
See: https://books.google.com/books?id=ickOOoUBAF0C&lpg=PA227&ots=lbadKaOUFj&dq=ogden%20family%20by%20hatfield&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q=ogden%20family%20by%20hatfield&f=false
Find A Grave Memorial# 130399927 John Ogden 1625-1682, Son of Richard Ogden
John Ogden was baptized on 10 July 1625 ("John the sonne of Richard Ogden") at the Church of All Saints in Bingley, Yorkshire, England (53.851410, -1.841286), a son of Richard Ogden and Ellen Lupton.
He removed to Rippowam, New Haven Colony (present-day Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut) by 1641 with his father.
Removed to Heemsteede, New Netherland (present-day Hempstead, Nassau County, New York) with his father in 1644.
Jury member in Southampton, Connecticut Colony (present-day Southampton, Suffolk County, New York) in January 1655.
Sold his property in Southampton on 12 April 1664 to his uncle, Mr. John Ogden ("The Pilgrim").
Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut by 1666.
Deputy governor for Rye to the General Court of Connecticut sitting at Hartford in 1674. Assistant governor of the Colony of Connecticut in 1675.
Granted by the town of Rye about 50 acres of land along the waterside at Fishing Rock, for the purpose of building a house and wharf, in 1679. Granted 20 acres of land for a pasture in May 1682. Other land holdings in Rye included orchards on the east side of Blind Brook and salt meadow on the east side of Mill Creek.
John Ogden died on 7 August 1682 in Rye, Westchester County, New York. In addition to his land in Rye, he held property in Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut, where letters of administration were granted to his widow Judith on 6 September 1682.
ANJOU's FALSE GENEALOGY
Richard Ogden (L14V-75Y) and Elizabeth Huntington (LYT^-4VD) were created by Gustav Anjou as part of the false genealogy found in Wheeler's Ogden "Family in America, Elizabethtown Branch" (Family 22, page 10). This couple did not exist, has been separated from this record, and should be deleted.
He came from Long Island to Stamford in
He came from Long Island to Stamford in 1641 and was in Rye in 1669 when it was still part of CT. He was a deputy governor (CT) in 1674, then assistant to Gov. John Winthrop, Jr. in 1675. Rye became part of NY in 1683. Ref: "Ogden Family in America," 1907 by William Ogden Wheeler. "New York Genealogical and Biographical Record," Vol. 49, Westchester County, p. 381
Resident information gleaned from “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye”.
1642, John (of Elizabethtown) and Richard were contracted to build the Dutch Church in New Amsterdam.
John of Elizabethtown.
1641, granted land in Stamford, New Haven Colony
By 1645 to Hempstead on Long Island, New Netherland
By 1660 to Southamton on Long Island, with son John
About 1665 to New Jersey,
John of Rye
1644, first record attributed to him in Southampton on Long Island.
About 1655 to Rye or nearby. (The Rye was in territory, claimed both by Connecticut and New York (Dutch till 1664).
Richard
1640/1 at Stamford, New Haven Colony
By 1645 to Hempstead, New Netherland
? to Fairfield, Fairfield, Connecticut.
NN Ogden?
What is the source for adding NN Ogden? Reportedly married to a Stephen Crane.
previous mess, New sources, many old sources contain errors.
Mess on “Family Tree” in early Dec. 2024. – the two John Ogdens were combined into one family – the two wives and the children combined into one family. The families were separated so please do NOT recombine. Old published books and articles contained many guesses and unsubstantiated conclusions that were copied by later genealogists. So old family trees, books and articles should NOT be assumed to be completely reliable.
The following is based on the recent, thoroughly researched article “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye” in the “New York Genealogical and Biographical Record” (146: 31-40). And on information from the part of the article that is available on Family Tree - "The Ogden Family of Oxenhope: The Probable Yorkshire Origin of John and Richard Ogden, Early Settlers of Stamford, Connecticut, and Proprietors of Hempstead, New York," New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, v. 150, no. 1, (2019): 61–76.
There were three different Ogdens, two different Johns and Richard, who were early settlers on Long Island and nearby Connecticut. (Rye, New York in the 1600’s was in land disputed by New York and Connecticut. John of Rye’s probate was in Fairfield County Connecticut -no will). Also both of the John Ogdens and Richard had sons named John. The only stated conclusion about relationships in the earlier article was that John of Rye was a nephew of the John who settled in Elizabeth(town), New Jersey (some times called “John the Pilgrim” by family historians). The author stated that no relationships to Richard could be made. The article stated that there had been many unsubstantiated conclusions about relationships made in the past. Including many in published books and articles by Savage, Hatfield, Baird, Wheeler, Jacobus, and Riker. (Not mentioned in the articles but “The Ogden Family” in “The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Vol. 9” by Frank Doherty (2007) repeats many of the wrong conclusions.) I think the authors of the later article state that John and Richard were brothers and were from Yorkshire (NOT from Hampshire has been claimed by some in the past). [“I think” because I have only seen the part of the article that is shown in “Memories”.]
Resident information and children listed in these sources are in “notes”.
The research tracing the Ogden family to
The research tracing the Ogden family to Bradley Plain, Hampshire appears to be a hoax perpetrated by a genealogist at the turn of the century. The source is attributed as parish registers, but there is no record of a Bradley Plain.
Proven
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ogden?iframe=ydna-results-overview
The Y chromosome passes from father to sons (only). The above tests prove that John Ogden of Rye was of this Y-DNA and that, therefore, his father was. Richard Ogden and Elizabeth Huntington were *not* his parents. Read the notes and sources for John.
Came to Southampton, L.I. 1640. A leade
Came to Southampton, L.I. 1640. A leader in the settlement of
Elizabeth, NJ
1665. Sheriff under the Dutch 1673.
Y-DNA Haplogroup
The Ogden DNA Project shows that descendants of John Ogden of Rye are of Y-DNA haplogroup R-BY40739. The Y can be traced from every living man up through the paternal lineage and, thus, has become an extraordinary tool for surname research. It has the potential for completely overturning the Richard Ogden fraud.
Some Additional Info
John Ogden was baptized on 10 July 1625 ("John the sonne of Richard Ogden") at the Church of All Saints in Bingley, Yorkshire, England, a son of Richard Ogden and Ellen Lupton.
He removed to Rippowam, New Haven Colony (present-day Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut) by 1641 with his father.
Removed to Heemsteede, New Netherland (present-day Hempstead, Nassau County, New York) with his father in 1644.
Jury member in Southampton, Connecticut Colony (present-day Southampton, Suffolk County, New York) in January 1655.
Sold his property in Southampton on 12 April 1664 to his uncle, Mr. John Ogden ("The Pilgrim").
Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut by 1666.
Deputy governor for Rye to the General Court of Connecticut sitting at Hartford in 1674. Assistant governor of the Colony of Connecticut in 1675.
Granted by the town of Rye about 50 acres of land along the waterside at Fishing Rock, for the purpose of building a house and wharf, in 1679. Granted 20 acres of land for a pasture in May 1682. Other land holdings in Rye included orchards on the east side of Blind Brook and salt meadow on the east side of Mill Creek.
John Ogden died on 7 August 1682 in Rye, Westchester County, New York. In addition to his land in Rye, he held property in Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut, where letters of administration were granted to his widow Judith on 6 September 1682.
!New York Genealogical & Biographical Re
!New York Genealogical & Biographical Rec. Vol 49 pg 381 John received land in Rye under the Hartford grant of 1683, bought a house & lot in Rye before 1680 and was deceased in 1682. !Ancestral File !Film #0599305 History of Genealogy of Families of Old Fairfield.
Parentage
Source attached for christening date has Father's (Richard Ogden) name listed. Not sure how that wouldn't prove the parentage.
Children of 2 John Ogdens from “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye"
Children of John of Rye as listed in “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye". Most dates are estimates.
Hannah, b about 1663, m. possibly Hackaliah Brown – doubts expressed about name
(possibly) Elizabeth, b. about 1665, m. possibly Joseph Purdy
Joseph, b. about 1667, m. Mary (possibly Miller)
Ruth, b. about 1670, m. John Lyon
John, b. about 1671, m. Susanna (possibly Dunsomb)
Richard, b. about 1673, m. possibly Elizabeth Church
David, b. about 1674, m. Elizabeth (possibly Miller)
(probably) Abigail, b. about 1677, m. Thomas Lyon (son of Thomas)
Children of John of Elizabethtown and Jane, as listed in "The Ogden Family of Oxenhope: The Probable Yorkshire Origin of John and Richard Ogden, Early Settlers of Stamford, Connecticut, and Proprietors of Hempstead, New York". Note that there i s no maiden name for his wife listed.
Mary, buried in England in 1635
John, b. 1638-1640, probably in England, married Elizabeth Plum
David, b. 1642, m. Elizabeth Swaine Ward
Sarah/Mary?, b. about 1644, m. John Woodruff
Joseph, b. about 1645-1646, m. Sarah
Jonathan, b. about 1647-1648. m. Rebekah
Benjamin, b. about 1653-1654, m. Hannah
WATCH OUT FOR FRAUDULENT PEDIGREE BY GUSTAVE ANJOU. NO SUCH PLACE IN ENGLAND EXISTS, NOT SUCH CHR REC AT THE NONEXISTENT PLACE EXISTS NOR DID THE ALLEGED but MADE UP PARENTS.
Christening at 20 years old??
Either they had another son name John & this was merged with that one or.. but the other one seems to also be attached to this 20 yr old christening.. should I create another John? [by Ken Offill, both of the early John Ogdens had sons named Joh n - (John of Rye and John "The Pilgrim" - who was an early settler of Elizabeth(town), New Jersey.]
Phony picture keeps coming up
First, it's for a man, as can be judged from his clothing alone, who lived more than a century later. That man was John Dickinson. I've fixed it before but people just keep adding it. The primary principle regarding genealogy is to verify the data . I daresay that most people on these websites have no clue about that.
Find A Grave Memorial# 130399927 (Cont)
An entry from the family bible of Daniel Ogden [Jr.] of Clearfield County, Pennsylvania (great-grandson of John Ogden [1625 — 1682]) reads as follows:
"Daniel Ogden died November 30, 1819, who was the son of Daniel Ogden, Sr., who was the son of Richard Ogden, who was the son of John Ogden from Yorkshire, England."
He was often referred to posthumously as "John Ogden of Rye" in order to distinguish him from his uncle and contemporary, "John Ogden the Pilgrim" who appears in many of the same records in Connecticut and New York (as "Mr. John Ogden"), but who d ied in Elizabethtown, Essex County, East Jersey (present-day Elizabeth, Union County, New Jersey).
Birth and parentage of John Ogden and Jane Bond TOTALLY FRAUDULENT
The birth and lineages of John Ogden and Jane Bond showing they were born and married in Bradley Plain, Hampshire, England came from the forgery of Gustave Anjou that was provided to William Ogden Wheeler in his book "The Ogden Family in America , Elizabethtown branch, and their English Ancestry." It is all totally FRAUDULENT.
See: https://books.google.com/books?id=ickOOoUBAF0C&lpg=PA227&ots=lbadKaOUFj&dq=ogden%20family%20by%20hatfield&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q=ogden%20family%20by%20hatfield&f=false
Find A Grave Memorial# 130399927 John Ogden 1625-1682, Son of Richard Ogden
John Ogden was baptized on 10 July 1625 ("John the sonne of Richard Ogden") at the Church of All Saints in Bingley, Yorkshire, England (53.851410, -1.841286), a son of Richard Ogden and Ellen Lupton.
He removed to Rippowam, New Haven Colony (present-day Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut) by 1641 with his father.
Removed to Heemsteede, New Netherland (present-day Hempstead, Nassau County, New York) with his father in 1644.
Jury member in Southampton, Connecticut Colony (present-day Southampton, Suffolk County, New York) in January 1655.
Sold his property in Southampton on 12 April 1664 to his uncle, Mr. John Ogden ("The Pilgrim").
Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut by 1666.
Deputy governor for Rye to the General Court of Connecticut sitting at Hartford in 1674. Assistant governor of the Colony of Connecticut in 1675.
Granted by the town of Rye about 50 acres of land along the waterside at Fishing Rock, for the purpose of building a house and wharf, in 1679. Granted 20 acres of land for a pasture in May 1682. Other land holdings in Rye included orchards on th e east side of Blind Brook and salt meadow on the east side of Mill Creek.
John Ogden died on 7 August 1682 in Rye, Westchester County, New York. In addition to his land in Rye, he held property in Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut, where letters of administration were granted to his widow Judith on 6 September 168 2.
ANJOU's FALSE GENEALOGY
Richard Ogden (L14V-75Y) and Elizabeth Huntington (LYT^-4VD) were created by Gustav Anjou as part of the false genealogy found in Wheeler's Ogden "Family in America, Elizabethtown Branch" (Family 22, page 10). This couple did not exist, has bee n separated from this record, and should be deleted.
He came from Long Island to Stamford in
He came from Long Island to Stamford in 1641 and was in Rye in 1669 when it was still part of CT. He was a deputy governor (CT) in 1674, then assistant to Gov. John Winthrop, Jr. in 1675. Rye became part of NY in 1683. Ref: "Ogden Family in Ameri ca," 1907 by William Ogden Wheeler. "New York Genealogical and Biographical Record," Vol. 49, Westchester County, p. 381
Resident information gleaned from “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye”.
1642, John (of Elizabethtown) and Richard were contracted to build the Dutch Church in New Amsterdam.
John of Elizabethtown.
1641, granted land in Stamford, New Haven Colony
By 1645 to Hempstead on Long Island, New Netherland
By 1660 to Southamton on Long Island, with son John
About 1665 to New Jersey,
John of Rye
1644, first record attributed to him in Southampton on Long Island.
About 1655 to Rye or nearby. (The Rye was in territory, claimed both by Connecticut and New York (Dutch till 1664).
Richard
1640/1 at Stamford, New Haven Colony
By 1645 to Hempstead, New Netherland
? to Fairfield, Fairfield, Connecticut.
NN Ogden?
What is the source for adding NN Ogden? Reportedly married to a Stephen Crane.
previous mess, New sources, many old sources contain errors.
Mess on “Family Tree” in early Dec. 2024. – the two John Ogdens were combined into one family – the two wives and the children combined into one family. The families were separated so please do NOT recombine. Old published books and articles con tained many guesses and unsubstantiated conclusions that were copied by later genealogists. So old family trees, books and articles should NOT be assumed to be completely reliable.
The following is based on the recent, thoroughly researched article “Pressing Rewind, Reconsidering John Ogden of Rye” in the “New York Genealogical and Biographical Record” (146: 31-40). And on information from the part of the article that is a vailable on Family Tree - "The Ogden Family of Oxenhope: The Probable Yorkshire Origin of John and Richard Ogden, Early Settlers of Stamford, Connecticut, and Proprietors of Hempstead, New York," New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, v. 150 , no. 1, (2019): 61–76.
There were three different Ogdens, two different Johns and Richard, who were early settlers on Long Island and nearby Connecticut. (Rye, New York in the 1600’s was in land disputed by New York and Connecticut. John of Rye’s probate was in Fairfie ld County Connecticut -no will). Also both of the John Ogdens and Richard had sons named John. The only stated conclusion about relationships in the earlier article was that John of Rye was a nephew of the John who settled in Elizabeth(town), Ne w Jersey (some times called “John the Pilgrim” by family historians). The author stated that no relationships to Richard could be made. The article stated that there had been many unsubstantiated conclusions about relationships made in the past . Including many in published books and articles by Savage, Hatfield, Baird, Wheeler, Jacobus, and Riker. (Not mentioned in the articles but “The Ogden Family” in “The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Vol. 9” by Frank Doherty (2007) repeats man y of the wrong conclusions.) I think the authors of the later article state that John and Richard were brothers and were from Yorkshire (NOT from Hampshire has been claimed by some in the past). [“I think” because I have only seen the part of th e article that is shown in “Memories”.]
Resident information and children listed in these sources are in “notes”.
The research tracing the Ogden family to
The research tracing the Ogden family to Bradley Plain, Hampshire appears to be a hoax perpetrated by a genealogist at the turn of the century. The source is attributed as parish registers, but there is no record of a Bradley Plain.
Proven
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ogden?iframe=ydna-results-overview
The Y chromosome passes from father to sons (only). The above tests prove that John Ogden of Rye was of this Y-DNA and that, therefore, his father was. Richard Ogden and Elizabeth Huntington were *not* his parents. Read the notes and sources for J ohn.
Came to Southampton, L.I. 1640. A leade
Came to Southampton, L.I. 1640. A leader in the settlement of
Elizabeth, NJ
1665. Sheriff under the Dutch 1673.
Y-DNA Haplogroup
The Ogden DNA Project shows that descendants of John Ogden of Rye are of Y-DNA haplogroup R-BY40739. The Y can be traced from every living man up through the paternal lineage and, thus, has become an extraordinary tool for surname research. It ha s the potential for completely overturning the Richard Ogden fraud.
Some Additional Info
John Ogden was baptized on 10 July 1625 ("John the sonne of Richard Ogden") at the Church of All Saints in Bingley, Yorkshire, England, a son of Richard Ogden and Ellen Lupton.
He removed to Rippowam, New Haven Colony (present-day Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut) by 1641 with his father.
Removed to Heemsteede, New Netherland (present-day Hempstead, Nassau County, New York) with his father in 1644.
Jury member in Southampton, Connecticut Colony (present-day Southampton, Suffolk County, New York) in January 1655.
Sold his property in Southampton on 12 April 1664 to his uncle, Mr. John Ogden ("The Pilgrim").
Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut by 1666.
Deputy governor for Rye to the General Court of Connecticut sitting at Hartford in 1674. Assistant governor of the Colony of Connecticut in 1675.
Granted by the town of Rye about 50 acres of land along the waterside at Fishing Rock, for the purpose of building a house and wharf, in 1679. Granted 20 acres of land for a pasture in May 1682. Other land holdings in Rye included orchards on th e east side of Blind Brook and salt meadow on the east side of Mill Creek.
John Ogden died on 7 August 1682 in Rye, Westchester County, New York. In addition to his land in Rye, he held property in Stamford, Fairfield County, Connecticut, where letters of administration were granted to his widow Judith on 6 September 168 2.
!New York Genealogical & Biographical Re
!New York Genealogical & Biographical Rec. Vol 49 pg 381 John received land in Rye under the Hartford grant of 1683, bought a house & lot in Rye before 1680 and was deceased in 1682. !Ancestral File !Film #0599305 History of Genealogy of Familie s of Old Fairfield.
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