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- MAIDEN NAME And Birth Location Considerations
HER MAIDEN NAME IS BRIANT. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CHANGING IT. (original Alert Note from Scott Robinson)
-- Second part of Alert Note from Scot --
@Scott Lawrence Robinson has placed the following 'Reason This Information Is Correct' for the birth place of Shalbourne, Berkshire, England: "Ancestry Family Trees; Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015. Per carpentercousins.com BERKSHIRE IS CORRECT. PLEASE DO NOT STANDARDIZE TO WILTSHIRE."
This kind of information best belongs in an 'Alert Note', so that others can see the instruction to not change the birth location. Therefore, I am adding this info to the one Alert Note that is allowed.
However, there are strange things going on with the birth place:
1) At first glance, Shalbourne IS in Wiltshire, not in Berkshire. AND, Wiltshire is currently listed as part of the standardized location.
2) More information is needed to find useful information on carpentercousins.com It is not simple to find Abigail on that website.
3) carpentercousins.com is NOT an original source. If Berkshire is the correct birth place and it is listed on that website, then what is the true source of Berkshire as the birth location??
4) The UK did not exist until 1801, so it is not appropriate to have the standardized location include "United Kingdom"
Her Will, was proved 22 Feb 1687.
Her Will, was proved 22 Feb 1687.
!DEATH:Vital Records of Rehobeth, 1642-1
!DEATH:Vital Records of Rehobeth, 1642-1896,James Arnold: Pgs 808.
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per art
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per artical in "American Genealogist"October, 1995 Gene Burzinsky, author. !ID # FMCV-Q8 "ABIGAIL SALE" IS THE SAME PERSON. BAP. 26 MAR 1932 SL;END. 7 APR 1932 SL; SP. 29 MAY 1946 SG. BORN 1593/94. SEARLES IS THE AMERICAN VERSION OF THE ENGLISH "SALE(S)" or "SAILE". IN ONE RECORD, ABIGAIL'S BIRTH DATE IS LISTED AS 1606 BUT THIS ISINCORRECT. Married: 28 APR 1625 in Shalbourne, Eng. Children John CARPENTER b: 8 OCT 1626 in Shalbourne, Eng. Titus CARPENTER Abigail CARPENTER b: 31 MAY 1629 in Shalbourne, Eng. William CARPENTER b: 22 NOV 1631 in Shalbourne, Eng. Joseph CARPENTER b: 6 APR 1634 in Shalbourne, Eng. Unknown CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 Anna CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Samuel CARPENTER b: 1 Mar 1635/36 in Shalbourne, Eng. Samuel CARPENTER b: 1638 in Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts Hannah CARPENTER b: 3 APR 1640 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abiah CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abraham CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Ephraim CARPENTER b: 25 APR 1651 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA
Shalbourne, England
The Parish Church of Shalbourne was under the jurisdiction of the dean and Chapter of the cathedral at New Sarum (i.e. Salisbury) Wiltshire, but was situated in the Berkshire part of the parish.
Person note
William and Abigail’s marriage record (only Bishops’ Transcripts of Shalbourneparish records survive for this period) has her surname as Briante (ShalbourneParR; TAG 70:194). The five remaining Shalbourne church records mentioning Abigail’sfamily (including her baptismal record) spell the name Briant (Shalbourne ParR). Her father’s will, however (including his signature), has it as Bryan (PCC).
from http://carpentercousins.com/Wm2_Rehoboth.pdf
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GEDCOM is software, not a source. Saying something's correct because of "GEDCOM" is EXACTLY like saying something's correct because of "MICROSOFT WORD."
2. ALWAYS ATTACH A RELIABLE SOURCE WHENEVER YOU ADD OR CHANGE A FS PROFILE. RELIABLE SOURCES ARE
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b) published secondary sources that cite primary sources
c) online secondary sources that cite published & primary sources.
3. ALWAYS READ LIFE SKETCHES & REVIEW ALL SOURCES BEFORE ADDING OR CHANGING INFO.
You're likely to find info in sketches & sources that will help you determine whether the info you've found is accurate.
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The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Oja
The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Ojai,California, alone, has the honor of finally discovering the true family of William Carpenter and tehe "four" children that accompanied them on the Ship "Bevis" in 1638.I(Frank Hutcheon) am happy to say that he has rendered a true service to ALL Carpenters, and their genealogists for finding these records. Abigail Briant had 2 brothers:Jonathanbur:4-7-1614,;Joseph,bp:8-28-1608 Shalbourne,Wiltshire/Berkshire. Finally we all can be sure of the source of this family in England.
!NEHGR 65:64-65
!NEHGR 65:64-65
http://www.carpentercousins.com/carplink
http://www.carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
Abigail Briant (not Batt, Bryant nor Searles) was the daughter of John and Alice (______) Briant of Shalbourne. The family resided in the Wiltshire Co. section of Shalbourne. She was Christened: 27 May 1604 in Shalbourne - FACT!
Per Bishop's Transcripts from Shalbourne Parish, Wiltshire (now Berkshire) shows that William Carpenter was married in the Berkshire part of Shalbourne Parish on 28 April 1625 to Abigail Briant, who was baptized there on 27 May 1604 and buried at Rehoboth on 22 February 1686/7.
She and her husband arrived in Weymouth, Mass. on the "Bevis" in 1638, settling first at Weymouth and then, by 1645, Rehoboth, MA.
Their children: John Carpenter, Abigail Carpenter Titus Palmer, William Carpenter, Joseph Carpenter, Samuel Carpenter, Samuel Carpenter, Hannah Carpenter Carpenter, and Abiah Carpenter.
Upon the death of her husband William Carpenter she received his Bible and other books. Two hundred pounds of sugar, the room the testator lodges inn with the chamber over it; and "libertie to come to the fier to do her occations." She got a meadow near the house, a way to the swamp, a supply of corn and the cloth in the house "toward clothing herself and children". With her herd of swine that she hath to serve towards housekeeping. Abigail was named sole executric of the will, with Richard Bowin, John Allin and "my brother Carpenter" to help her. The inventory was taken 21 Feb 1658/1659.
Both are buried in Old Rehoboth (Newman) Cemetery, in present-day Rumford, East Providence, Rhode Island.
See Carpenter Sketches regarding William Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts by Eugene Coles Zubrinsky.
See: http://carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
One important citation is: TAG [1995]: 194, citing Shalbourne Parish Records (Bishop's Transcripts), Bundle 1 (FHL film #1279426, item 11). See the bottom of the page at: http://carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Ojai,California, alone, has the honor of finally discovering the true family of William Carpenter and tehe "four" children that accompanied them on the Ship "Bevis" in 1638.I(Frank Hutcheon) am happy to say that he has rendered a true service to ALL Carpenters, and their genealogists for finding these records. Abigail Briant had 2 brothers:Jonathanbur:4-7-1614,;Joseph,bp:8-28-1608 Shalbourne,Wiltshire/Berkshire. Finally we all can be sure of the source of this family in England.
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per artical in "American Genealogist"October, 1995 Gene Burzinsky, author. !ID # FMCV-Q8 "ABIGAIL SALE" IS THE SAME PERSON. BAP. 26 MAR 1932 SL;END. 7 APR 1932 SL; SP. 29 MAY 1946 SG. BORN 1593/94. SEARLES IS THE AMERICAN VERSION OF THE ENGLISH "SALE(S)" or "SAILE". IN ONE RECORD, ABIGAIL'S BIRTH DATE IS LISTED AS 1606 BUT THIS ISINCORRECT. Married: 28 APR 1625 in Shalbourne, Eng. Children John CARPENTER b: 8 OCT 1626 in Shalbourne, Eng. Titus CARPENTER Abigail CARPENTER b: 31 MAY 1629 in Shalbourne, Eng. William CARPENTER b: 22 NOV 1631 in Shalbourne, Eng. Joseph CARPENTER b: 6 APR 1634 in Shalbourne, Eng. Unknown CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 Anna CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Samuel CARPENTER b: 1 Mar 1635/36 in Shalbourne, Eng. Samuel CARPENTER b: 1638 in Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts Hannah CARPENTER b: 3 APR 1640 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abiah CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abraham CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Ephraim CARPENTER b: 25 APR 1651 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA
LDS microfilm 0003059, "300 Families of
LDS microfilm 0003059, "300 Families of Connecticut."
MAIDEN NAME And Birth Location Considerations
HER MAIDEN NAME IS BRIANT. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CHANGING IT. (original Alert Note from Scott Robinson)
-- Second part of Alert Note from Scot --
@Scott Lawrence Robinson has placed the following 'Reason This Information Is Correct' for the birth place of Shalbourne, Berkshire, England: "Ancestry Family Trees; Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015. Per carpentercousin s.com BERKSHIRE IS CORRECT. PLEASE DO NOT STANDARDIZE TO WILTSHIRE."
This kind of information best belongs in an 'Alert Note', so that others can see the instruction to not change the birth location. Therefore, I am adding this info to the one Alert Note that is allowed.
However, there are strange things going on with the birth place:
1) At first glance, Shalbourne IS in Wiltshire, not in Berkshire. AND, Wiltshire is currently listed as part of the standardized location.
2) More information is needed to find useful information on carpentercousins.com It is not simple to find Abigail on that website.
3) carpentercousins.com is NOT an original source. If Berkshire is the correct birth place and it is listed on that website, then what is the true source of Berkshire as the birth location??
4) The UK did not exist until 1801, so it is not appropriate to have the standardized location include "United Kingdom"
Her Will, was proved 22 Feb 1687.
Her Will, was proved 22 Feb 1687.
!DEATH:Vital Records of Rehobeth, 1642-1
!DEATH:Vital Records of Rehobeth, 1642-1896,James Arnold: Pgs 808.
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per art
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per artical in "American Genealogist"October, 1995 Gene Burzinsky, author. !ID # FMCV-Q8 "ABIGAIL SALE" IS THE SAME PERSON. BAP. 26 MAR 1932 SL;END. 7 APR 1932 SL; SP. 29 MAY 1946 SG. BORN 1593/94. SEARLES IS THE A MERICAN VERSION OF THE ENGLISH "SALE(S)" or "SAILE". IN ONE RECORD, ABIGAIL'S BIRTH DATE IS LISTED AS 1606 BUT THIS ISINCORRECT. Married: 28 APR 1625 in Shalbourne, Eng. Children John CARPENTER b: 8 OCT 1626 in Shalbourne, Eng. Titus CARPENTER Abi gail CARPENTER b: 31 MAY 1629 in Shalbourne, Eng. William CARPENTER b: 22 NOV 1631 in Shalbourne, Eng. Joseph CARPENTER b: 6 APR 1634 in Shalbourne, Eng. Unknown CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 Anna CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Samuel CARP ENTER b: 1 Mar 1635/36 in Shalbourne, Eng. Samuel CARPENTER b: 1638 in Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts Hannah CARPENTER b: 3 APR 1640 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abiah CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abraham CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1 643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Ephraim CARPENTER b: 25 APR 1651 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA
Shalbourne, England
The Parish Church of Shalbourne was under the jurisdiction of the dean and Chapter of the cathedral at New Sarum (i.e. Salisbury) Wiltshire, but was situated in the Berkshire part of the parish.
Person note
William and Abigail’s marriage record (only Bishops’ Transcripts of Shalbourneparish records survive for this period) has her surname as Briante (ShalbourneParR; TAG 70:194). The five remaining Shalbourne church records mentioning Abigail’sfamil y (including her baptismal record) spell the name Briant (Shalbourne ParR). Her father’s will, however (including his signature), has it as Bryan (PCC).
from http://carpentercousins.com/Wm2_Rehoboth.pdf
Best Practices
Family Search PUBLISHES OUR RESEARCH as Discovery Pages on the web. PLEASE follow these guidelines:
1. NEVER CHANGE/ADD FS PROFILES BASED ON USER-ENTERED DATA. This includes Ancestry user trees & data downloaded by people who use GEDCOM software.
GEDCOM is software, not a source. Saying something's correct because of "GEDCOM" is EXACTLY like saying something's correct because of "MICROSOFT WORD."
2. ALWAYS ATTACH A RELIABLE SOURCE WHENEVER YOU ADD OR CHANGE A FS PROFILE. RELIABLE SOURCES ARE
a) primary-source records (birth, death, deeds, etc.)
b) published secondary sources that cite primary sources
c) online secondary sources that cite published & primary sources.
3. ALWAYS READ LIFE SKETCHES & REVIEW ALL SOURCES BEFORE ADDING OR CHANGING INFO.
You're likely to find info in sketches & sources that will help you determine whether the info you've found is accurate.
UNLIKE ANCESTRY, F.S. USERS COLLABORATE ON 1 ENTRY PER ANCESTOR WORLDWIDE. We fact-check each other's work and pool sources. It's why we're exponentially more accurate than Ancestry
The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Oja
The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Ojai,California, alone, has the honor of finally discovering the true family of William Carpenter and tehe "four" children that accompanied them on the Ship "Bevis" in 1638.I(Frank Hutcheon) am happy to say tha t he has rendered a true service to ALL Carpenters, and their genealogists for finding these records. Abigail Briant had 2 brothers:Jonathanbur:4-7-1614,;Joseph,bp:8-28-1608 Shalbourne,Wiltshire/Berkshire. Finally we all can be sure of the sourc e of this family in England.
!NEHGR 65:64-65
!NEHGR 65:64-65
http://www.carpentercousins.com/carplink
http://www.carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
Abigail Briant (not Batt, Bryant nor Searles) was the daughter of John and Alice (______) Briant of Shalbourne. The family resided in the Wiltshire Co. section of Shalbourne. She was Christened: 27 May 1604 in Shalbourne - FACT!
Per Bishop's Transcripts from Shalbourne Parish, Wiltshire (now Berkshire) shows that William Carpenter was married in the Berkshire part of Shalbourne Parish on 28 April 1625 to Abigail Briant, who was baptized there on 27 May 1604 and buried a t Rehoboth on 22 February 1686/7.
She and her husband arrived in Weymouth, Mass. on the "Bevis" in 1638, settling first at Weymouth and then, by 1645, Rehoboth, MA.
Their children: John Carpenter, Abigail Carpenter Titus Palmer, William Carpenter, Joseph Carpenter, Samuel Carpenter, Samuel Carpenter, Hannah Carpenter Carpenter, and Abiah Carpenter.
Upon the death of her husband William Carpenter she received his Bible and other books. Two hundred pounds of sugar, the room the testator lodges inn with the chamber over it; and "libertie to come to the fier to do her occations." She got a mea dow near the house, a way to the swamp, a supply of corn and the cloth in the house "toward clothing herself and children". With her herd of swine that she hath to serve towards housekeeping. Abigail was named sole executric of the will, with Ri chard Bowin, John Allin and "my brother Carpenter" to help her. The inventory was taken 21 Feb 1658/1659.
Both are buried in Old Rehoboth (Newman) Cemetery, in present-day Rumford, East Providence, Rhode Island.
See Carpenter Sketches regarding William Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts by Eugene Coles Zubrinsky.
See: http://carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
One important citation is: TAG [1995]: 194, citing Shalbourne Parish Records (Bishop's Transcripts), Bundle 1 (FHL film #1279426, item 11). See the bottom of the page at: http://carpentercousins.com/carplink.htm
The discovery by Eugene Zubrinsky,of Ojai,California, alone, has the honor of finally discovering the true family of William Carpenter and tehe "four" children that accompanied them on the Ship "Bevis" in 1638.I(Frank Hutcheon) am happy to say tha t he has rendered a true service to ALL Carpenters, and their genealogists for finding these records. Abigail Briant had 2 brothers:Jonathanbur:4-7-1614,;Joseph,bp:8-28-1608 Shalbourne,Wiltshire/Berkshire. Finally we all can be sure of the sourc e of this family in England.
62] Rehoboth VR [orig.], 1:57 as per artical in "American Genealogist"October, 1995 Gene Burzinsky, author. !ID # FMCV-Q8 "ABIGAIL SALE" IS THE SAME PERSON. BAP. 26 MAR 1932 SL;END. 7 APR 1932 SL; SP. 29 MAY 1946 SG. BORN 1593/94. SEARLES IS THE A MERICAN VERSION OF THE ENGLISH "SALE(S)" or "SAILE". IN ONE RECORD, ABIGAIL'S BIRTH DATE IS LISTED AS 1606 BUT THIS ISINCORRECT. Married: 28 APR 1625 in Shalbourne, Eng. Children John CARPENTER b: 8 OCT 1626 in Shalbourne, Eng. Titus CARPENTER Abi gail CARPENTER b: 31 MAY 1629 in Shalbourne, Eng. William CARPENTER b: 22 NOV 1631 in Shalbourne, Eng. Joseph CARPENTER b: 6 APR 1634 in Shalbourne, Eng. Unknown CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 Anna CARPENTER b: ABT 1635 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Samuel CARP ENTER b: 1 Mar 1635/36 in Shalbourne, Eng. Samuel CARPENTER b: 1638 in Rehoboth, Bristol Co., Massachusetts Hannah CARPENTER b: 3 APR 1640 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abiah CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Abraham CARPENTER b: 9 APR 1 643 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA Ephraim CARPENTER b: 25 APR 1651 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA
LDS microfilm 0003059, "300 Families of
LDS microfilm 0003059, "300 Families of Connecticut."
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