Adelle Vermandois, Comtesse De Meaux

Adelle Vermandois, Comtesse De Meaux

Female Abt 950 - Aft 984  (> 34 years)


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  • Name Adelle Vermandois 
    Title Comtesse De Meaux 
    Birth Abt 950  France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Death Aft 18 Oct 984  Centre, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I7340  footsteps | Pat
    Last Modified 30 Jul 2025 

    Father Robert Vermandois,   b. Abt 931   d. 29 Aug 968 (Age 37 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Adelaide Werra Chalon, Comtesse de Vermandois ,   b. Abt 933, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 19 Aug 967, Seltz, Alsace, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 34 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Marriage 953  Normandie, France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F5195  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Geoffroy D'Anjou,   b. 11 Nov 938, Rhône-Alpes, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 21 Jul 987, Château-du-Loir, Pays de la Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 48 years) 
    Marriage 965  France Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. Ermengarde Anjou, Duchesse De Bretagne ,   b. Abt 966, Centre, France Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 992, France Find all individuals with events at this location (Age > 27 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
    Family ID F3633  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 30 Jul 2025 

  • Notes 


    • Provides one line of descent from Charlemagne to William the Conqueror a n d f o u r l ines of descent from Charlemagne to William's wife Maud.
      [[Category:Charlemagne to William the Conqueror Descent]]
      ==Line of Descent to William the Conqueror==
      }
      }Douglas Richardson Douglas Richardson. Royal Ance s t r y : A S tudy in Colonial and Medieval Families. Kimball G Everingham, E d i t o r . Salt Lake City, Utah: By the Author, 2013. Volume V, p. 485-4 8 6 < / r e f> provides one line of descent from Charlemagne to William the C o n q u e ror and four lines of descent from Charlemagne to William's wife M a u d .
      :Parent: [[Vermandois-1|Robert]], 931-968
      :This profile: [[Vermandois-351|Adele]], 950-984
      :Child: [[Anjou-2|Ermengarde]], 966-992

      == Biography ==

      ===Disambiguation===
      [[Vermandois-351|Ad�le de Meaux]] is not [[Unknown-313332|Ad�la�de de C h �lons]]. [[Vermandois-351|Ad�le]] married [[Anjou-20|Geoffroy I Grise g o n e l le]], d. 987, count of Anjou, while [[Unknown-313332|Ad�la�de]] ma r r i e d [ [Dijon-7|Lambert, Comte de Chalon]], who died probably 978. The c o n f u s ion arises because after [[Vermandois-351|Adele's]] death, and aft e r [ [ D i jon-7|Lambert's]] death, Lambert's widow, [[Unknown-313332|Ad�la �de ] ] d i d marry [[Anjou-20|Geoffroy I Grisegonelle]].

      ===Name===

      *Adela Vermandois
      *Adele of Troyes,
      *Ad�le de Troyes. *Adele of Meaux W i k i p e dia. Adele of Meaux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meau x . A c c e ssed May 4, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]]
      *Ad�le or Adela de Meaux,
      To distinguish her from her possible sister, Ad�le or Adela will be use d f o r t h i s person, and Adelais or Adelaide for her sister, although in p r a c t i ce, all four names tend to function interchangeably.

      ===950 Birth and Parentage===
      Baldwin states that both the date and place of birth of Adele of Troyes a r e u n k n own.
      Cawley estimates a birth year of 950 Charles Cawl e y . F o u ndation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database, Champ a g n e - T r oyes. [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm#Robertdi e d 9 6 7 R obert of Vermandois]. Accessed June 6, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]] < / r e f > o r before 950 Charles Cawley. Foundation f o r M e d i eval Genealogy Medieval Lands Database. [http://fmg.ac/Project s / M e d Lands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#GeoffroyIdied987B fmg.ac][http://sbaldw.h o m e . m indspring.com/hproject/prov/adela001.htm Adela de Meaux]. W i k i p e dia shows her birth year as about 934 without further citation, but that date is not consistent with the 931 birth yea r o f h e r f a ther Robert.
      Adele of Troyes was the daughter of Robert, Count of Meaux and his wife A d e l a i s, alias Werra. daughter of Giselbert, count o f C h a l o n and Troyes. Detlev Schwennicke, Europ �i s c h e S tammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europ�ischen Staaten , N e u e F o lge, Band III Teilband 1 (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. S ta r g a r dt, 1984), Tafel 49. Cited by Wikipedia. Adele of Meaux. https : / / e n .wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux. Accessed May 4, 2017. [[Day- 1 9 0 4 | jhd]]
      Cawley notes that she was long regarded as the sister of Robert and the r e f o r e daughter of Heribert, but that recently, historian K.F. Werner s h o w e d t hat she is instead his daughter. Cawley e s t i m a tes a marriage year of 965 based on the birth year of her eldest d a u g h t er. Baldwin states that she is sometime fa l s e l y s hown as the daughter of Heribert II, who died in 943, count of V e r m a n dois, who was actually her grandfather. Bald w i n g o e s on to identify scholars who have asserted that, including Mabi l l e . < r ef> �mile Mabille, Introduction au Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou ( S o c i �t� de l'Histoire de France, vol. 155, Paris, 1871). Cited by Stew a r t B a l dwin, The Henry Project. Ad�le de Troyes http://sbaldw.home.min d s p r i ng.com/hproject/prov/adele001.htm. First Uploaded 23 May 2007, re v i s e d 2 4 April 2008. Accessed June 6, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]]
      Baldwin notes that the major medieval source for Ad�le's parentage is a n e l e v e nth century collection of Angevin genealogies, which includes a g e n e a l ogical table of Ad�le's relatives and clearly makes her a daughter o f c o u n t R obert of Troyes. The count Heribert who witnessed the 974 cha rt e r c o u ld not be Heribert II, who died in 943, but either Heribert II' s s o n H e r ibert le Vieux, count of Omois, or the latter's nephew Heriber t l e J e u n e, son of count Robert of Meaux and Troyes. Furthermore, mak in g t h i s A dele to be the daughter of Heribert II would require him to h a ve t w o d a ughters of the same name, since he already has a well documen t ed d a u g hter, Ad�le.

      ===965 Marriage to Geoffroi===
      About 965 she married, as his first wife, [[Anjou-20|Geoffroi I Grisego n e l l e ]], Count of Anjou (958/960-987), Count of Chalon (979-987), son o f F o u l q ues II the Good, Count of Anjoy, by his wife Gerberge. Geoffroy I "Grisegonelle" Comte d'Anjou, was son of Foulq u e s I I C o mte d'Anjou and his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 9 8 7 ) < r e f name="fmgadela"/> Stewart Baldwin. The Hen r y P r o j ect.
      [http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/adele001.htm Adele]Fir s t u p l o aded 23 May 2007, Minor revision uploaded 24 April 2008. Based o n t h e f o l lowing bibliography:*Cart. S.-Aubin = Bertrand de Broussillon, C a r t u l aire de l'abbaye de Saint-Aubin d'Angers, 3 vols. (Angers, 1903).* L o t ( 1 9 01) = Ferdinand Lot, "Herbert le Jeune et la succession des comt �s c h a mpenois", Annales de l'Est 15 (1901), 265-283.*Mabille (1871) = �m i l e M a bille, Introduction au Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou (Soci�t� de l ' H i s t oire de France, vol. 155, Paris, 1871).*Poupardin (1900) = Ren� Po u p a r d in, "G�n�alogies angevines du XIe si�cle", M�langes d'Arch�ologie e t d ' H i s toire (Paris, Rome) 20 (1900):199-208.


      ===974 Charter===
      In a charter dated 6 March 974, Ad�le donated her hereditary domains to S a i n t - Aubin in Angers. Witnesses included, among others, her husband Geo f f r o y , sons Foulques and Geoffroy, and count Heribert .

      ===978 Death===
      Adela de Meaux, who was living at the time of the 6 Mar 974 charter, di e d s o m e t ime after that. Her actual date and place of d e a t h i s u nknown.
      Since her husband remarried in 979, a death date for Adela of 978 is a p l a u s i ble estimate. Bachrach gives a death year of 982 Bernard S . B a c h r ach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (Berkeley & Los A ng e l e s : University of California Press, 1993), p. 11 Cited by Wikipedia . A d e l e o f Meaux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux. Acce sse d M a y 4 , 2 017. [[Day-1904|jhd]] which would appear contradic te d b y t h e 9 79 remarriage.
      Wikipedia reports that she was buried in the St. Aubin Abbey, Angers.

      ===979 Husband's Second Marriage===
      After Adela's death, Geoffroy married, second, on 2 or 9 Mar 979, Ade l a i s , w idow of Lambert Comte de Chalon, and they had one child: Maurice . < r e f n ame="fmgadela"/> Lambert I, Count of Chalon-sur-Saone, died 22 F e b 9 7 8 . < ref name="ra5485"/>

      ===987 Geoffroi's Death===
      Geoffroi I, Count of Anjou, in turn was slain in battle at Marcon (near C h a t e a u-du-Loir) 21 July 987, and was buried at Saint-Martin de Tours. H i s w i d o w, the second Adele, was living in 999.

      ==Issue==

      ===Documented Children===
      Geoffroi and Adele had two sons and two daughters b o r n b e t ween 965, when they married, and 978, her presumed date of death . G e o f f roi and his second wife Adelais had a son, Maurice.
      Douglas Richardson simply dates the births of all four children as betw e e n 9 6 5 a nd 974.
      #[[Anjou-2|Ermengarde de Bretagne]], daughter of Geoffroi and Adele, wa s b o r n , s ay, 966, and married Conan I of Rennes, born about 950, who di ed i n 9 9 2 . B aldwin notes that (1) Rodulfus Glaber states that Conan ma rri ed a s i s t er of count Foulques of Anjou; (2) the Chronicle of S. Flo re nt sa y s t h at Geoffrey was son of Conan by a sister of Foulques; and ( 3 ) th e A n g evin genealogical collection states that Judith, wife of Rich a rd o f N o r mandy, was the daughter of Conan by his wife Ermengarde, daug h te r o f G e offroy of Anjou. Baldwin further notes t h a t c h r onological considerations place Ermengarde as a child of Geoffro y ' s f i r st marriage to Ad�le de Troyes. Sometimes Ermengarde and her s i s t e r G erberge are conflated into one person, "Ermengarde-Gerberga" Detlev Schwennicke, Europ�ische Stammtafeln: Stammtafe ln z u r G e s chichte der Europ�ischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilba nd 4 ( V e r l ag von J. A. Stargardt, Marburg, Germany. 1989), Tafel 817. C ited b y W i k i pedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_I,_Count_of _Anjo u G e o f frey I Count of Anjou] Accessed June 6, 2017. [[Day-1904|jh d]] < / r e f > Baldwin, however, notes that "there is no good reason to id enti f y G e o ffroy's daughters Ermengarde (wife of count Conan of Rennes) a nd G e r b e rge (wife of count Guillaume IV of Angoul�me) as the same perso n, a s i s s o m etimes done #[[Anjou-5|Gerberga d'Anjou] ], d a ug h t er of Geoffroi and Adele, born, say, 968, married Guillaume IV , C o u n t o f Angouleme. She died after 988. Ademar de Chabannes states that count Guillaume (IV) was m a rr i e d t o Gerberge, sister of count Foulques ["Andegavensis" in one man u s c r i pt], who must chronologically be Foulques III. Depoin cites a cha r t e r w h ich gives the name of Guillaume's wife as Girberga. #[[Anjou-69|Foulques d'Anjou ]], or Foulques III Nerra, Count o f A n j o u , son of Geoffroi and Adele . Histori� Andeg av e n s i s names his birth year as 970, and his death at Metz on 21 Jun 10 4 0 w i t h b urial at Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre).Hist o r i � A n degavensis, allegedly written by Foulques IV "Rechin" Comte d'An j o u , n a mes "Goffridus Grisagonella pater avi mei Fulconis". succeeded f a t h e r 9 87 as FOULQUES III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou. "Fulco A n d e c a vorum comes" relinquished rights to the bishop of Angers "pro anim a p a t r i s mei Gauffredi et matris Adel�" by charter dated 17 Jan 1020. < r e f n a m e="fmgadela"/>#[[Anjou-158|Geoffrey d'Anjou]] or Geoffroi, son o f G e o f f roi and Adele. Bachrach suggests a birth year of 971. Geoffrey ("Gauzfredi filii eius") is named by his mother " A d e l a " in the 6 March 974 charter by which she donated property to Sain t - A u b in d'Angers and is living at that time Geoffrey of Anjou (971-977), died young. B e r n a rd S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (Unive rs i t y o f C alifornia Press, 1993), pp. 11-12. Cited by Wikipedia. [htt p s : / / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_I,_Count_of_Anjou Geoffrey I Count o f A n j o u ] Accessed June 6, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]]

      ===Falsely attributed children===

      Baldwin notes the following falsely attributed children:
      #Bouchard (Barbatus), supposed father of Bouchard de Montmorency. Bouc h a r d i s p art of a late attempt to fabricate an origin for the house of M o n t m o rency#Ad�la�de (in fact a sister), mother of qu e e n C o n stance. One example of this comes from a late fabricated geneal o g y w h i ch was published with the cartulary of Trinit� de Vend�me. Cons t a n c e 's mother Ad�la??de was a sister of Geoffroy

      ===Children formerly linked which have been delinked===
      #[[Ch�lons-20|Hugues (Ch�lons) de Ch�lons]], born Dijon 1030 has been s h o w n a s t he child of [[Dijon-7|Lambert]] and [[Vermandois-351|Adelaide d e V e r m a ndois]]. There are two problems with this -- (1) Lambert and Ad el a i d e w ere married to different people, and (2) Hughes was born well a f t e r t h e deaths of both of them. Therefore I have delinked Hughes from A d e l a i de.[[Day-1904|Day-1904]] 19:06, 5 March 2017 (EST)

      ==Sources==