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'''Line of Descent to William the Conqueror'''
Douglas Richardson [ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ances t r y : A S t udy in Colonial and Medieval Families. Kimball G Everingham, E d i t o r . Salt Lake City, Utah: By the Author, 2013. Volume V, p. 485 < / r e f > p rovides one line of descent from Charlemagne to William the Conq u e r o r a nd four lines of descent from Charlemagne to William's wife Maud .]
:Parent: [[Vermandois-13|Heribert II]], 880-943
:This profile: [[Vermandois-1|Robert]], 931-968
:Child: [[Vermandois-351|Adele]], 950-984
==Biography==
===Names and Titles===
*Robert [ The Henry Project. Compiled by Stewart Bal d w i n . F irst uploaded 23 May 2007. Revised version uploaded 24 April 2 0 0 8 ( A d ded information on two supposed children Ad�la�de and Archembaud , p l u s a d ditional minor corrections)[http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/ hp r o j e ct/prov/rober005.htm Robert].]
Accessed Feb 27, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]] *Rodbertus [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHER N % 2 0 F RANCE.htm#Robertdied967A ](_blank)
*Robert, Count of Troyes and Meaux,
===931 Birth===
Robert's date and place of birth are unknown.
If one assumes his birth place was the place of his father's capital, h i s f a t h er had three: St-Quentin (Vermandois), Soissons, and Meaux. It i s t h e r e fore hard to narrow down the place other than to start the gener al r e g i o n of "Western Francia."
===Parents===
Robert's father was Heribert II, who died in 943 and was count of Meaux , S o i s s ons, and Vermandois, as well as abbot of Saint-Cr�pin and Saint- M� d a r d ( Soissons).
About Robert's mother there is less agreement. Stewart Baldwin [ Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Gen e a l o g y, Medieval Lands Data Base. [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHA M P A G N E%20NOBILITY.htm#Robertdied967 Robert]. ]
Another alternative name which has appeared is Li�garde de France. [ Geneweb Website, online <http://geneweb. i n r i a .fr/roglo?lang=en>. Hereinafter cited as Roglo Geneweb Website. Fr o m t h e F a milypedia page on Robert de Vermandois: http://familypedia.wik i a . c o m/wiki/Robert_de_Vermandois_%28918-968%29. Cited by Darryl Lundy, T h e P e e r age. ][ Wikipedia. Robert of Vermandois. h t t p : / /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Vermandois ]
===Siblings===
#Eudes/Odo (c915-946), Vicomte de Vienne (922-946) #Adela de Vermandois ( c 9 1 5 - 960, wife of Arnoul I "Le Grand", Comte de Flandres (d.964) #Herib e r t I I I " Le Vieux" (910/926 - 983/985) Comte d'Omois (943-983/985), Com t e d e M e a ux et de Troyes (967-983/985), husband of Eadgifu of Wessex
#Hugues (920-962), Archbishop of Rheims (925-932, 940-946) #Luitgardis ( c . 9 2 5 - c 985) wife of Guillaume I "Longespee" Comte de Normandie and Th i b a u t " Le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours 7. Adalbert (d. 98 7 ) , C o m te de Vermandois (943-987)
===943 Lands Inherited from Father===
Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 9 4 3 , R o b ert became Comte de Meaux. [ H e may possibly also have acquired the land Ch�lons at that time . < r e f n a me="wiki"> Robert of Vermandois. Wikipedia. https://en.wiki ped i a . o rg/wiki/Robert_of_Vermandois. Accessed Feb 26, 2017. [[Day-190 4| j h d ] ]. The article cites substantially Detlev Schwennicke, Europ�is c h e S t a mmtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europ�ischen Staaten, N e u e F o l ge, Band III Teilband 1 (Marburg, Germany: J. A. Stargardt, 1984 ) , T a f e l 49. ]
===946 Inheritance of Meaux===
In 946 he received Meaux as his share when his father's lands were part i t i o n ed
Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbe r t , t h e y ounger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throug h o u t C h ampagne. [ Kate Norgate, 'Odo of Champagne , C o u n t o f Blois and Tyrant of Burgundy', The English Historical Review , V o l . 5 , N o. 19 (Jul., 1890), p. 488. Cited by Wikipedia. ]
===946 Count of Meaux===
He became count of Meaux in 946 [ Flodoard, Annales , s . a . 9 5 7, 144; "Rotbertus, frater Heriberti, ..." Flodoard, Annales, s . a . 9 6 0 , 148. Cited by Stewart Baldwin, Henry Project. ]
===949 Marriage===
Between 942 and 950 he married Ad�la�de (Werra), daughter of Giselbert, c o u n t o f C halon and Troyes, who died 8 April, 956. [ St e w a r t B aldwin. Heribert II, The Henry Project. First uploaded 23 May 2 0 0 7 , r e vised 2008, 2011. http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/pr o v / h e rib002.htm. Accessed May 24, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]] ]Robert d i e d a f t er 19 June 966. [ Cawley, Foundation for M e d i e v al Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. [http://fmg.ac/Projects/M e d L a n ds/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#_ftnref2228 Ref 2228] ]. Her mother w a s E r m e ngarde, who is known from the charter of 11 December 942.
Baldwin sets the boundaries of the wedding to Ad�la�de alias Werra, dau g h t e r o f Giselbert, duke of Burgundy, between 11 December 942 and 18 Ju n e 9 5 0 < ref name="henry"/> Ad�la�de appears in a charter with her paren t s o n 1 1 D e cember 942. Robert appears as a witness to a charter of Gis e l be rt d a ted between 19 June 949 and 18 June 950, and he is married to A d �la� d e at that time.
Adelais' date and place of birth are unknown.
If Adelais was 16 when she was married, and the marriage took place in 9 4 9 , h e r e stimated birth year would be 933. Wikipedia gives Adelais' a n e s t i m ated time frame of 914 to 920.
She evidently survived her husband, and appears with Robert's brother c o u n t H e ribert in a fragment of the cartulary of Monti�ramey ["... S. Ad e l e i d ae comitissae, S. Ettini, S. Eriberti comitis ..." Werner (1960), 1 1 2 - 3 , n . 95]
Adelais, was living in August 967.
Baldwin notes that one may encounter a falsely attributed second wife: I n g e l t rude. [ This error is based on a charter of June 960, in which a " c o u n t " Robert and his wife Ingeltrude appear witnessing a charter of Fr o t g a i re, bishop of Chalon. This Robert has been identified by some with R o b e r t o f Troyes but he was in fact a different Robert, a viscount of D i j o n o f t hat name. Robert and Ingeltrude were the parents of Lambert, c o u n t o f C halon. The editor of the cartulary notes that the title of cou n t g i v e n to Robert in this charter was probably a copying error. Stewa r t B a l d win, The Henry Project. ]
===956 Count of Troyes===
He became count of Troyes in 956.
===956 Lands Inherited from Wife's Father===
Robert became Comte de Troyes in 956 on the death of his father-in-law, b y r i g h t o f his wife.[ John Morby, Dynasties of the World: a chronological and genealo g i c a l h andbook (Oxford, Oxfordshire, U.K.: Oxford University Press, 198 9 ) , p a g e 85. Hereinafter cited as Dynasties of the World. Cited by Dar y l L u n d y, The Peerage. ] M, #150390, d. circa 975 [ D arryl Lundy, The Peerage. Robert, Comte de Troyeshttp://thepeer a g e . c om/p15039.htm#i150390. Last edited 11 July 2005 ]
Stewart Baldwin notes that Robert "is first mentioned with that title o n 6 A u g u s t 959, when he appears with his wife and young son Heribert [" Plac u i t a t que convenit inter gloriosum Trecassine urbis comitem Robertu m e t G r a t ianum abbatem monasterii sancti Petri Dervensis, ... Signum Ro tb er t i , g loriosissimi comitis. S. Adelais comitisse. S. Erberti filii e o r u m . . .." Cart. Monti�ramey, 19 (#14); see also Lot (1901), 269; Werne r ( 1 9 6 0 ), 112]."
Thus Robert was the Comte de Meaux from 946 to 966 and of Troyes from 9 5 6 t o 9 6 6 .
The union of these two counties resulted in the creation of the County o f C h a m p agne. [ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/ 2/ 2 9 4 8 0.htm ]
===959 Attack on Dijon===
In 959 he captured the city of Dijon and drove out the bishop, but he w a s a t t a cked by Kings Lothair of France and Otto of Germany in 960 and f o r c e d t o submit.
===966 Death===
Robert, Count of Troyes and Meaux, probably died after 19 June 966. He was still alive on 19 June 966, when he is found w i t n e s sing a charter of his son-in-law, count Geoffroy Grisegonelle of A n j o u < r ef name="henry"/>
He probably died not long afterward, succeeded by his brother Heribert " v e t u l us" and eventually by his son Heribert "juvenis".
Baldwin notes that the death date of August 968 given by Arbois de Juba i n v i l le [Arbois de Jubainville (1859-66), 1: 141] depends on Robert's d u b i o u s identification as the father of Archambaud, archbishop of Sens, a n d o n a n i n correct placement of the death date of Archambaud in 968.
The location of his death and burial is unknown. Again, "Western Franc i a " w o u ld be accurate - Meaux is in present region Ile de France, while T r o y e s i s in present region Champagne-Ardennes; the Kingdom of Western F r a n c i a dissolved on 3 July 987 when France was founded.
Robert (d. after 19 Jun 966)
== Biografie in Nederlands==
Robert I van Meaux (ca. 910 - 19 juni 966) was een zoon van Herbert II v a n V e r m andois en van Adelheid van Frankrijk. In 946 werd de erfenis van z i j n v a d er zoveel mogelijk versnipperd door Hugo de Grote en werd Robert g r a a f v a n Meaux. Hij trouwde met Adelheid, erfdochter van Giselbert van C h a l o n e n verwierf zo de graafschappen Chalon-sur-Sa�ne, Troyes en Baume . U i t h u n h uwelijk zou het graafschap Champagne ontstaan. In 959 nam hi j D i j o n i n en verdreef hij de bisschop van Troyes. In beide gevallen mo es t h i j e c hter opgeven onder druk van respectievelijk Lotharius van Fra n kr i j k e n Bruno de Grote. [ From the Dutch Wikipedia p a g e o n R o bert I van Meaux: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I_van_Me a u x < / r ef>]
Vader: Herbert II van Vermandois Moeder: Adelheid van Frankrijk
===Gehuwd===
Robert was gehuwd met Adelheid (ca. 928 - na augustus 987), dochter van G i s e l b ert van Chalon en Ermengarde van Bourgondi�, en werd vader van:
#Heribert (950-995)#Adelheid, gehuwd met Godfried I van Anjou (-987) ee n d o c h t er gehuwd met Karel van Neder-Lotharingen.#mogelijk Archambaud ( - 2 9 a u g u stus 968), aartsbisschop van Sens vanaf 959, begraven in de Sa in t- P i e rre-le-Vif te Sens
===Graaf===
Robert I van Meaux 931 -975
Graaf van Meaux Periode 943-966 Voorganger: Herbert II Opvolger: Herber t
Graaf van Troyes Periode 950-975 Voorganger - nieuw Opvolger: Heribert v a n T r o y es
Graaf van Chalon Periode 956-968 Voorganger: Manasses I Opvolger: Lambe r t I
== Biographie en Francais ==
Robert de Vermandois[1], n� entre 931 et 934, mort en 966, fut comte de M e a u x d e 9 46 � 966 et de Troyes de 956 � 966. Il �tait fils d'Herbert II , c o m t e d e Vermandois, et d'Ad�le de France.[ From th e F r e n c h Wikipedia page on Robert I de Meaux: http://fr.wikipedia.org/w ik i / R o bert_Ier_de_Meaux referencing (1) Robert de Vermandois sur le sit e F o u n d ation for Medieval Genealogy http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHA MP A G N E %20NOBILITY.htm#Robertdied967 (2) Adelais de Troyes sur le site F o u n d a tion for Medieval Genealogy http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHAMPA G N E % 2 0NOBILITY.htm#dauRobertM970CharlesFrance ]
Cit� d�s 940, il n'obtient le comt� de Meaux qu'au moment du partage de s t e r r e s de son p�re, en 946, c'est-�-dire trois ans apr�s sa mort. Par m a r i a g e il re�oit le comt� de Troyes, l'union de ces deux comt�s �tant � l ' o r i g ine du comt� de Champagne. En 959, il s'empare de la ville de Dijo n e t e n c h a sse l'�v�que, mais il est attaqu� en 960 par les rois Lothai re d e F r a n ce et Otton de Germanie et doit se soumettre.
===Mariage et enfants===
Il avait �pous� peu avant 950 Ad�la�de, dite Werra, fille de Gilbert, c o m t e p r incipal des Bourguignons, de Ch�lon, de Beaune, d'Autun, de Troy e s e t d e D ijon, et d'Ermengarde. Ils avaient eu :
#Herbert IV (v.950 + 995), comte de Meaux, de Troyes et d'Omois #Ad�le ( v . 9 5 0 + 9 74), mari�e vers 965 avec Geoffroy Ier Grisegonelle (+ 987), c o m t e d ' Anjou #D'apr�s Christian Settipani, Adelais de Troyes[2], mari�e v e r s 9 7 0 a vec Charles, duc de Basse-Lotharingie.
Ad�le a longtemps �t� consid�r�e comme la sour de Robert, mais les �l�m e n t s q u i aboutissaient � cette conclusion se sont r�v�l�s insuffisants. D e r n i �rement, l'historien K.F.Werner a montr� qu'Ad�le �tait plut�t la f i l l e d e R obert.
Pr�c�d� par Robert Ier de Meaux Suivi par Herbert II comte de Meaux Her b e r t I V G ilbert comte de Troyes Herbert IV
==Issue==
No documents attest to the birth years of any of the children. Their m o t h e r , Adelaide, born about 920, was not married in 942 (age 22) and wa s m a r r i ed by 950 (age 30) Robert was dead in 966. Wikitree
===Two Confirmed Children===
Richardson notes that Robert and Adelais had two children, Heribert and A d e l e .
If the larger number is correct, Robert had two daughters with similar, o f t e n i n terchangeable names. For clarity here, the better documented of t h e d a u g hters, shown here first, is addressed a Adele or Adela, while th e o t h e r d aughter, less well documented, is addressed as Adelais or Adel ai d e . T h is is simply a convenience for the modern reader, as both wom e n a p p e ar with a range of overlapping names.
#[[Vermandois-351|Ad�le or Adela de Meaux]],[ C h a r l e s Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Land Datab a s e , C h ampagne - Troyes.[http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamtroyes.htm # R o b e rtdied967 Robert] Accessed June 6, 2017. [[Day-1904|jhd]] ] C a w l e y n otes that she was long regarded as the sister of Robert but that r e c e n t ly, historian K.F. Werner showed that she is instead his daughter. < r e f n a m e="fmgcn967"/> Cawley estimates a marriage year of 965 based on t h e b i r t h year of her eldest daughter.
===Two Possible Children===
Difficulties with properly identifying the persons in various documents h a s l e d t o t he supposition of one or more additional children of Robert. T h e s e t w o are listed by Cawley and continued to be linked on Wikitree.
#[[Vermandois-318|Adelais de Troyes]], born, say, 954. Baldwin refers t o h e r a s t h e unnamed wife of Charles, duke of Lorraine and notes that " Th i s c o n jecture is based on a passage in Historia Francorum Senonensis, w h i c h s t ates that Charles married a daughter of count Heribert of Troyes . " < r e f n ame="henry"/> Cawley eliminates Heribert, son of Robert, born a b o u t 9 5 0, as too young to be Charles' father in law. Cawley also elimi n a t e s H �ribert II Comte de Vermandois, father of Robert, who was not Co m t e d e T r oyes. [ Settipani (1993), 337-8, n. 1010, cited by Stewart Ba ld wi n , H e nry Project. ] Cawley, following Settipani's conjecture , m a k e s C harles' unnamed wife to be Adelais de Troyes, born between 95 0 a n d 9 5 1 , died after 991), a second daughter of Robert with a name sim il a r t o t h e first, who married about 970 Charles de France, son of Loui s I V " d ' O utremer" King of the Franks & his wife Gerberga von Sachsen. < re f n a m e ="fmgcn967"/> #Archambaud, born, say, 956. Cawley states that a c c o r d ing to Gallia Christiana, Archambaud Archbishop of Sens was the so n o f R o b e rt Comte de Troyes and his wife Adelais de Bourgogne. [ A r chambaud was Archbishop of Sens from 959-968. ]
===One Doubtful Child===
*Ermentrude. A daughter [[Freteval-1|Ermentrude]], birth year unknown, d i e d 1 0 0 3, has previously been linked as a daughter of Robert. No sourc e m a t e r ial confirming such a relationship has been found and she has th er e f o r e been removed as a daughter of Robert. If documentation for the r e l a t i onship is found, the linkage can easily be restored.
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Abt 931 - 968 (37 years)
d. 23 Feb 943, Somme, France 